Week’s Show 13th July 2017

 

SHOW NOTES

This week I start my show with the Blizzard Survival 20% Discount Offer, What’s the Odds?, the Wilderness Gathering, What to do in a Riot, My Bug-Out-Belt, The Tarphah 20% Discount Offer, Keeping Warm in the Wilderness, Trapping and Snaring for Food, When The Bug Out Bag Runs Out – What To Do After 72 Hours? The problems With Bartering,

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Monday’s Pappy’s Place w/Pappy Canoli http://www.prepperpodcast.com/pappy-s-pl

I like this show because he covers prepping, history and common sense issues in a totally relaxed way.

In the Month of June, Pappy will be riding and raising money to help Fight Kids’ Cancer. His goal is to raise $600 and riding 121 miles for your generous donations. If you would like to the cause, please donate at ==> Great Cycle Challenge, USA Riding To Fight Kids’ Cancer and then follow along as he logs his rides.

Tuesday’s Surviving Dystopia w/DJ Cooper

Dj is our Excutive Producer, manager, well known author, publisher and host and has her own business, she never stops and is a true inspiration to me and many of her listeners.

The message is simple “shit happens”…could be a job loss, could be illness or accident, maybe a hurricane or full on Armageddon, invest in your personal utopia lest it becomes a dystopia.

Surviving Dystopia? What the heck does that mean?

In it’s most basic sense? “The art of Getting By”

Wednesdays Open http://www.prepperpodcast.com/surviving-dystopia

Thursday’s The UK Prepper http://www.prepperpodcast.com/the-uk-prepper

It’s little old me.

Friday’s The Family Preparedness Hour http://www.prepperpodcast.com/the-house-of-b

Listen to the Preaching Prepper, as the purpose of his show is to help and encourage those who have started on the road of preparedness. He prepares for the “day after” any event, and his show is full of interesting personal stories and experiences.

Saturdays … Pioneering your way to freedom w/John Milandred

John is the founder of this great station, and he actually lives OFF GRID, his experience of growing his own meat, slaughtering and butchering, his animal husbandry, his total personal knowledge of living his life as a homesteader I would say is second to none.

Great show John I love it, and as for your youtube channel it’s the bees knees.

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What’s the Odds?

Well 2012 and the Mayan event never happened which is why I can talk to you now, but what could actually happen to us on this beautiful world we call home.

Here are some of the threats we may face as far fetched that they may seem to you they could happen.

Asteroid Impact

Odds of killing you: 1 in 700,000

Let’s kick off our little nightmare parade with the Torino Impact Hazard Scale, a metric named for a stylish Italian burg but which actually quantifies the level of threat posed by known asteroids.

A Torino 0 means the rock ain’t worth a mention, because it won’t ever intersect Earth. A Torino 10 means make peace with your preferred deity as it’s about to rain inexorable rocky death from the skies, likely taking human civilization down in a tsunamic pyre of thunder and ash.

The fact that we need a scale that goes to 10 is less than comforting. Luckily, we are aware of exactly two asteroids that rate above zero on the Torino scale — 2007 VK184 and 2011 AG5 — both of which merit a measly Torino 1. Stand down, Bruce Willis; we don’t need any asteroid drillers today.

Near-Earth Supernova

Odds of killing you: 1 in 10,000,000

There was an exceedingly dim and disingenuous attempt recently to suggest that the Mayan Apocalypse was actually a prediction that the star Betelgeuse would go supernova in 2012, but but the science for that was laughable.

Don’t get me wrong, supernovae put out a lot of energy and having one go up near the human homeworld would be bad, but it would have to be pretty near us to matter — within about 30 light-years or so, a radius that doesn’t contain that many stars, let alone likely candidates to flame on supernova. (Betelgeuse is over 600 light-years distant.)

And even then, what we’re talking about is a stripping of the ozone layer from supernova-emitted gamma radiation output, rather than some sci-fi-esque shockwave ripping Earth apart. It wouldn’t be quick or colorful, other than some nifty aurorae.

You’re more likely to die at the hands of Beetlejuice (or any other deranged mime and/or Tim Burton character cosplayer) than Betelgeuse or a similar supernova.

Gamma-Ray Burst

Odds of killing you: 1 in 14,000,000

The good news is no gamma-ray burst (GRB) has ever been observed within our own galaxy.

The bad news is GRBs are so powerful that they are easily observed in other galaxies, and we don’t know what causes them.

Scientists think they might be products of hypernovae, the supersized cousins of supernovae, but we can’t really be sure.

But the fact that giant bursts of deadly radiation that dwarf supernovae can literally appear out of apparent nothingness doesn’t leave us feeling all warm and cozy.

If a GRB were to appear in the vicinity and direction of earth, the best case scenario is we all turn into giant green rage monsters of the Bruce Banner variety.

The more likely outcome is earth is scoured clean of surface lifeforms in a blast of high-energy radiation — as we think happened 450 million years ago.

Of course, since most galaxies only generate one GRB per million years, and the odds of a Milky Way GRB being aimed directly at earth are incredibly slim, there’s no need for the radiation suits (or anger management classes) just yet.

Nuclear War

Odds of killing you: 1 in 10

The figure above is not a typo; it was the headline-grabbing 2009 statistic from Stanford professor Martin Hellman, who has spent his career modeling the likelihood of nuclear conflict.

Bottom line, there are a lot of nukes lying around, and lot of countries that could build a crude nuclear weapon should they want to — some of them less than reputable.

(Looking at you, North Korea and Iran.) Worst of all, once somebody sets off a nuclear weapon, the odds of a nuclear response increase dramatically, and the dominoes of mutually assured destruction start to fall — snuffing a huge swath of humanity in the process. I don’t have a joke here; this one is legitimately terrifying.

Robot Uprising

Odds of killing you: Unknown

You laugh now, but Cambridge University has set up the Centre fo the study of Existential Risk specifically to study the increasing likelihood of human extinction, and a cybernetic revolt is right at the top of their list.

We already have Killer robots wandering the skies, self-driving cars cruising the highways in some U.S. cities, and phones smart enough to turn our idle mutterings into dinner reservations.

We’re one Google darknet glitch and a Johnny Five lightning strike away from a full blown Skynet singularity.

I can’t tell you the odds of it happening, only that it gets more likely every day. Let that thought keep you warm at night.

The Wilderness Gathering

If you’ve never been to the Gathering before and you love nature and the outdoors, then this is the family show for you – Wilderness Gathering, a unique Bushcraft event, is the longest running and still the original festival of bushcraft, survival and primitive living skills.

The Gathering has become a social event and brings together families and friends, all those interested in Bushcraft and Wilderness living skills to enjoy a weekend of knowledge sharing in a relaxed and family friendly atmosphere

Live Music

Not only is the Gathering the place you to come to – to learn new skills, brush up on your old ones and meet some of the best bushcraft experts in the country but it has also become, over the past fifteen years, the place you come to – to gather and socialise round the campfire with friends, old and new.

Childrens Bushcraft

The Coyote Clubs were introduced in 2005 and host a comprehensive range of events and activities specifically tailored for children from 5 to 15 year old.

The Masterclass

The Masterclasses were introduced in 2005 and are your opportunity to study your favourite Bushcraft subject in depth with a leading Bushcraft instructors.

Where is it?

Located on a South Wiltshire farm with lakes and 30 acres of old oak woodlands. You get access to woodlands and fields to erect whatever shelter you want.

Add to this great food, local cider, mead, evening entertainment. great people and it’s now over 5 days it has to time to get booked http://www.wildernessgathering.co.uk/tickets.htm.

What to do in a Riot

Having seen many, many riots in N.I. when I was a kid, some of which included live gun fire on more than one ocassion I can tell you that it’s the last place you want to be.

Don’t go near it: If you don’t have to be there, don’t. There’s no honor in putting yourself in harm’s way, taking a brick to the head, and getting put in a coma.

If you can stay away, do it. Leave the ego at home. Don’t look for trouble, because you’ll find more than you can handle. This is about you going home to your loved ones, not them coming to see you in a hospital bed.

Situational awareness: Always know what’s going on around you. Always. At the shops, at red lights, in your driveway, when you’re out in public, in a carpark, at the ATM, anywhere.

If you see something that looks odd, stay away. If you see some people who look like they’re planning something or up to no good, you’re probably right. Walk proud, keep your head on a swivel, and don’t look like a victim (more on that below). Lock your car doors. Pull your head out of your app, and know who is around you.

Every day carry (EDC): Depending on what country you live in, you’ll have certain options as far as what you carry with you every day when you leave the house.

For me, living in the UK, I carry a small UK legal pocket knife, and if I’m in the mood to be extremely safe I carry a UK legal defence spray and a tactical pen.

All concealed, all the time. You DO NOT want to get caught in a situation that requires you to defend yourself without the tools necessary to do it.

If you’re in it, don’t panic: If you find yourself out and about when violence breaks out, DO. NOT. PANIC.

Panic doesn’t help. Rational thinking does. Don’t freak out and don’t freeze in place and wait to be attacked. You need to act and act quickly. Which, brings me to my next point.

Master OODA Loop: If you’re a military guy or anyone who has received any kind of tactical training, you may have heard of OODA Loop. It stands for Observe, Orient, Decide, Act and has to do with how you handle yourself in a high-stress or crisis situation. Basically, it means that you assess the situation, weigh your options, and make a decision. Instead of me hashing it out here, You’ll be very glad you did.

Know that you ARE NOT safe: These rioters who trash their own cities and attack women? They ARE NOT like you.

The Antifa thugs, Communists, and far-left progressives don’t like people like you. They hate freedom. They don’t care if children get hurt, or if you’re with your family; so don’t try to reason with them, because it won’t work.

They are not rational, so don’t expect any favors. Valueless people act in valueless ways, and you could be shown no mercy. Know your enemy.

Run: This is your best option. If you can run, do it. Run away and do not stop until you’re sure you’re safe. There’s no honor in getting hurt in a riot.

Don’t wait for the police: If things are out of control, don’t expect the police or military to save you. You need to protect yourself and your family.

In riots like we’ve seen recently, the police don’t know who the good guys are and who the bad ones are at first glance. And, oftentimes, they can’t get to you anyways. You need to take action because the police may be overwhelmed and have no way to immediately help you.

If you need to, join in: If you can’t get out or get away, and see no options, join in. Take off your Trump hat, and blend into the crowd – only for as long as you have to get out and get where you need to be. Again, this is about your safety. It’s about survival.

Don’t look like a target: Cowards in masks attack targets. It’s what cowards do. So, don’t look like one.

If you’re hunched over with your face in your phone and not paying attention, that projects weakness and paints you as a target to rioters. Walk upright, look people in the eye, and don’t let people get close to you.

If they do, issue strong verbal commands to show them you mean business and tell them to back off. Harsh language means something to these people.

You’re speaking their language. So walk proud, watch for cues that you’re about to be attacked (e.g. posturing, looking around, change in stance, etc.), keep moving, maintain as much distance as you can from a would-be attacker, use strong verbal commands, and keep your head up.

If you need to, hide: Plain and simple. If it’s so bad that you have no way to get out and there’s a SAFE place for you to lockdown for a while (maybe if you have young kids with you and can’t evade danger) then hide.

A house, a locked door, anything where your safety is guaranteed. I wouldn’t recommend it most times but if you have to, hide and wait it out.

Never get backed into a corner: If you get put up against a wall or backed into a corner with a mob of violent morons coming at you, you’re going to take a beating. So, don’t do it. Evade, evade, evade. Always stay moving, and never stop until you’re safe.

If you can, stay in a pack: There’s strength in numbers. Stay with others or find some like-minded people and join them. Your chances of coming out unscathed and walking away are always better if you have others to help watch your back. Don’t get divided, help each other, and communicate as you’re navigating the riot.

Never start a fight, but know how to finish one: If you’re not already, you need to get trained so you’ll know how to fight if you have to. And, I’m not talking about Karate or Kung Fu. I’m talking about real life stuff that will let you incapacitate your attackers and save your life so you can go home to your loved ones.

Learn how to fight. Never start it, but know how to finish it and get away.

Never brandish a weapon (unless you have to): This is last resort stuff. If you’re carrying a weapon (e.g. a gun, knife, ASP), you have to genuinely fear for your life and/or the life of others you’re with to legally use it.

Remember, weapons are tools that you use when you need to. You’re not Rambo. And, no matter how you think a shootout will go down, it won’t go down that way. You’re not in the movies. If you have to fight, learn how to fight with your weapon. Sometimes you might not need to draw. But if you do, be sure you’ve been trained and know how to use it.

That’s all folks. Remember, in a mob or riot, your one goal is to get out alive. That’s it. These are some of the tactics that can help you do it.

You’re not in it to fight (you’ll lose) and you’re not in it to prove your point or change hearts and minds (they won’t listen anyways).

Get out, stay alive, and go home.

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Keeping Warm in the Wilderness

In the woods when you are around pine trees look for old stumps, fallen trees, or limbs that have fallen and rotted into a hard core.

Scrape into them to see if there is a hard rich golden colour. If you have hit the right stuff, it will smell like fresh pine sap, and will not appear in the least bit old or rotted, although it may be taken from the centre of a very rotten knot or stump.

This is the best fire starting material you will ever come across.

Split off a few splinters and set your fire. It will flare as if lighter fluid was dropped on it. It will burn for a good while, but will put off a very black sooty smoke. Carry a few small pieces in you survival gear for those rainy days.

Reflectors or as boiling rocks, be sure that the rocks are collected from a high and dry area. It may take a little more time to secure good rocks, but the effort is certainly worth it and could save you from a painful accident.

Rocks that are collected from a creek bed or in a damp place can hold moisture in them that forces itself out when the rocks are heated. This creates an explosion of incredible force. Not only is it dangerous, (i.e., loss of eye, puncture wound, etc.), but the loud pop sounds like a gunshot and may scare away any wild game you hope to harvest.

Nine out of ten accidents in the woods are self-inflicted, so be careful and use your head.

Dehydration is one of the leading causes of fatigue in the outdoorsl. If you feel thirsty you are probably dehydrated already. One of the most convenient ways I found to keep my intake of water up, was to purchase a hydration system.

You’ll be amazed at how much you do drink without noticing , and how much better you feel on the trail.

One extra tip is to pack a small bag of salted peanuts with you. The salt helps you to retain the water, the fat and protein will give you an energy boost .

THE FOLLOWING ARE POINTERS FOR PREVENTING HYPOTHERMIA

Which dulls the brain–the most important survival tool you have to help you survival:

Seek and create shelter from cold, wind, snow, and rain. If possible, retreat to timbered areas for shelter construction and fire.

Use natural shelters: the windless side of ridges, rock croppings, slope depressions, snow blocks, a snow hole at base of standing trees, dense stands of trees, or under downed trees or dry stone walls and hedges.

Improvise a windbreak or shelter from: stacked rocks or snow blocks, tree trunks, limbs, bark slabs and evergreen boughs, or dig a snow cave or snow trench with a cover.

Conserve, share, and create warmth.

Conserve body heat by putting on extra clothing. Replace damp undershirt and socks. Place damp wool clothing over dry wool clothing. Loosen boot laces to increase circulation.

Place feet with boots on in a pack. Use evergreen boughs to insulate body from ground. Place hands in armpits or crotch.

Share body heat. Sit or lie front to back or back to back. Warm the hands and feet of injured person or companions.

Create body heat.

Nibble high energy goods–candy, nuts, energy bar. Sip water kept warm with body heat. Use solid fuel hand warmer, igniting both ends of fuel stick, which is good for four hours of heat. Do isometric exercises to stir up body’s circulation system.

Build a fire.

Find dry wood–dead lower branches and bark from underside of trees. Look under downed trees and inside dead logs for dry kindling. Remember wet wood will burn as it dries in a strong fire.

Select a sheltered area, protected from strong winds, as the site for an emergency campfire. Under snow conditions build a fire base first, with large, four-inch diameter or larger pieces of wood (use your wire saw from your survival kit).

Put fire starter on the base, surround a fire starter with branches to hold kindling above the fire starter, then place a hatchwork of kindling and slightly larger wood on the branches. Light fire starter and blow lightly to help its flame ignite kindling.

Add progressively larger wood to the flame area.

Prevent heat loss.

Remember the body loses heat by respiration, evaporation, conduction, radiation, and convection.

To prevent loss by respiration, cover the mouth and nose with loosely woven or knitted wool.

To reduce evaporation through excessive perspiration, wear clothes that breathe and are in layers.

To avoid loss by conduction, put a layer of cover between the body and a cold, wet surface. This insulation is particularly important if you’re already wet.

To prevent loss by radiation, keep the head, hands, and feet covered.

To prevent loss by convection, protect the body from the wind.

In stage one of hypothermia, the victim begins shivering, has poor coordination, slurs speech, and shows poor judgment.

By stage two, when the body temperature is below 95 degrees, muscular rigidity replaces shivering, and the victim becomes more irrational and needs warmth immediately from external sources and protection from further heat loss.

Know that the victim is the LAST to realize s/he’s in danger.

Trapping and Snaring for Food

Having spent well over 30 years studying survival skills I have had first-hand experience of the many processes that each learner will go through to finally achieve each element of natural wilderness survival.

As we all know food is the LAST thing you should worry about. Shelter, fire, water and signalling for help are far more important.

Remember the rule of 3’s… You can die from exposure to the elements in 3 hours,

You can die from lack of water in 3 days,

But it takes 3 WEEKS or more to die of starvation.

3 weeks is a long time, so plan for your essentials first. If you have your other bases covered, then you can start planning for food. Snaring and fishing are your best bets, as they allow for you to

“set and forget”, which means that you conserve energy.

All hunting should be done with as little energy expenditure as possible. Find a comfortable spot and wait for dinner to come to you. Rabbits, being very common worldwide, are a good wild game food.

They can typically be found grazing in fields and clearings where grasses and other low lying plants are found. Watch to see where they enter and exit these areas to provide the locations for snares.

Some people have been known to add impassable brush and wooden stakes along both sides of the path leading to the trap creating a funnel effect.

They can then drive rabbits or other small game in the direction of the trap and be relatively sure that the game will head straight into the snare.

The Rabbit Snare can be used for many types of small game depending on how and where you deploy it. It consists of a noose loosely draped over twigs, brush, or any low-lying points where you can drape it.

The noose is smooth cord that can easily slide through the small metal ring it is tied to (small key rings work very well for this).

The key to this snare is the bowed branch overhead, and the catch or trigger mechanism. A simple trigger consists of a very simple stake that is wedged at an angle very close to that of the line to the branch.

It is also sharpened and sits on a smooth rock so that any movement at all will free it.

A rabbit is not very smart, and assumes that the string across its path is simply grass, and typically does not slow down.

The looseness and breadth of the noose allows the game to proceed a couple feet before it tugs the branch and releases the catch.

You must remove all human scent and two good ways that I use are firstly to place the complete snare over a fire and let the smoke do its work (remember smoke is a natural smell) or secondly to place the complete snare into fresh cow dung don’t worry it is only digested grass.

Fishing

Survival fishing is quite different than normal fishing. Survival fishing is often done without you even being there. It’s more akin to trapping and snaring than it is to conventional fishing. There are several ways in which this can be accomplished.

Absentee Fishing

If you have fishhooks and line (in a survival kit), then you’re way ahead of the game. You can bait a whole bunch of hooks, string them on a line across the waterway, and then walk away. This is “absentee fishing”.

Be careful that the line you string across the waterway is strong (10 – 15 lb line).

Tie it between a couple trees a couple feet above the water, and then you can either rely on the water flow to keep the bait near the surface, or simply put just enough line down to your hooks to not allow them to sink.

If the water is moving, your bait will be dancing to entice the fish. If there’s little or no movement, you can tie some leaf covered branches to the paracord to catch the wind, which also makes your bait look lively.

While waiting for a catch, you can keep yourself busy with important things like fire and shelter, and simply check your lines every few hours.

Fish Fences

If you don’t have any hooks and line, then I recommend a “fish fence”. A “fish fence” is just what it sounds like. It’s a fence that you make out of sticks that will corral the fish for you.

The fence should be dense in fact the denser the better, as long as water can flow through, and fish cannot! This is built on land in sections, and then inserted in a likely waterway by pushing the posts into the mud at the bottom.

There are several versions of this… it really depends on the waterway. If it’s a pond, and there’s no flowing water, then you’ll just make a corral in a shallow area with only one opening that funnels fish in.

Once they’re trapped in the small area, they can be speared or grabbed more easily.

If you’re working with a stream, then it’s important to determine the direction of flow. Observe whether fish are moving upstream, downstream, or both.

If the fish are moving in one direction then a basic fence placed diagonally across the stream will concentrate the fish in a small area making it easier to spear one.

If the fish are moving in both directions, you may want to make a “corral” that will catch in both directions as shown below.

If you have built your fencing in sections, it’s easier to try different configurations to see which works best for you.

When The Bug Out Bag Runs Out – What To Do After 72 Hours?

So you’ve had to abandon your home or BOL (or was not at it when the fan blades turned brown) and now you’re on the last day of your bug out bag, what now?

The first thing you should do is STOP and take a minute to reflect.

Check through your bag and see what’s still useful and what’s low or gone.

For the most part everything inside your bag will last for weeks or even months if it has to. Your fire starter should still be in good shape, your emergency blankets are OK, you still have a tent….but what about your food and water? AAH yes!

These are the real dangers.

You still have heat, shelter, and light but without food and water, especially water, you will die all warm and toasty.

Without food you’ll begin to feel hungry and run down in a day or two but you’re still OK for about another three weeks.

Assuming you have a destination you’re trying to reach where you can resupply you won’t starve if you make it there in time.

Without water however you’re in much worse shape. You have 2-3 days before your body shuts down and you eventually die on about the 4th day.

I have heard stores of people living 5 days, and even 7 without water but the average and the rule of thumb is 3 days.

Examine your surroundings and weigh up your options.

If your goal is to get where ever you’re going and you know for sure that you can reach it in 1-2 days, then start marching.

Don’t stop except to rest at night. Try to conserve all the water you can by not sweating.

If you don’t have a place to go or you’re more than 2-3 days out for a BOL, then you need to start looking for water.

If you’re in the wilderness look and listen for signs of water and head in that direction.

Signs can be green spots of vegetation in the distance or in naturally occurring valleys between hills, or something as obvious as a river bed.

If your survival scenario puts you in an arid environment such as a desert you should start planning now for your water, not after the shtf.

Have a plan and a place to go and carry enough water to get you there otherwise you will surely die. If possible drive the area now while you can think and plan things out.

It may be possible to cache some extra supplies in a hidden spot along your path, but you have to do this beforehand.

If you’re in an urban environment (which most will be) remember that there is probably water all around you, although it may not be drinkable.

It would be hard to imagine a house without at least one can of pop or a bottle of water somewhere inside. Hopefully you will find someone who can spare a bit.

Spigots on houses (beware the owners), ditches, man-made lakes, and swimming pools are all great sources.

If all hell has truly broke loose then take refuge inside of an abandoned house and look for water in water heaters, the BACK of toilets (not the bowl), and sink traps.

They will all hold some water. Just remember that this water will more than likely be contaminated so filter and boil it first.

Once your water is restocked either hunker down and build a temp base camp until you can locate food, or keep moving to your BOL.

If you’re in luck your scenario may be over by then and you can begin going back to a normal life.

If not, I hope you are learning self-sufficient skills now as well as basic long term survival.

The problems with Bartering

I don’t believe that bartering is a good idea, well initially anyway so here are my I have many concerns about bartering including:

OPSEC – You’re showing off what you have and who you are, at least, that which you’re willing to barter with.

Security – You may be putting yourself, family, and supplies at risk simply by showing yourself at a place to barter. Who knows who’s watching you.

Timing – I wouldn’t expect most people to be ready, willing, and able to barter for quite some time after a grid-down scenario… we have to cull the masses first.

Thieves / con artists – People will try to steal from you, swindle you, fast-talk you, and more. I’m still not sure whether this will be more or less of a problem in a long-term barter society but it will still happen.

Why are you bartering in the first place? – You should always work to be as self-sufficient as possible and, therefore, not need anything from anybody else.

Certainly, this isn’t 100% feasible but I would rather attempt to have everything I could possibly need and then only choose to trade for supplies I didn’t have or couldn’t easily procure on my own with nearby, trustworthy neighbours.

And I accept this isn’t always possible to do either.

Despite the these concerns, I wanted to focus on yet another concern: you and whomever you’re trading with just won’t see eye-to-eye with what each of you want to give or receive.

What I mean is I think that people could very well want to barter all sorts of things you wouldn’t want and probably won’t need either. Of course, I should note that bartering is an age-old method of procuring goods and is, in fact, still a part of some cultures.

As such, bartering can be done and done relatively successfully… eventually, I would though suggest that this is only possible within a stable society, one that has come to terms with its overall situation.

The question I think is what makes you think that the other guy is going to have anything that you really want or need?

Let’s say that you’ve chosen to stockpile an assortment of barter supplies, including disposable lighters, matches, any type of fuel, ammo (not the best thing to barter), maybe some long-term foods, soap, vitamins, perhaps alcohol, and a wide assortment of other stuff people will probably want, including the number one survival item toilet roll. so OK you’ve done your part and you’re ready to barter. And you have a few things in mind. But, guess what?

The other guy wants to trade you a pallet full of ceramic tiles! What are you going to do with that? You don’t need or want those.

Ok, maybe he’s got a valuable skill to trade instead, such as being an mechanic. That might prove useful but what if he is an electorial mechanic? and, well, you don’t need one of those.

So, you keep searching. Maybe you find somebody you can work with, maybe not.

You see, the real problem I have with expecting to barter in a post-SHTF world is that a direct goods-for-goods bartering system will be very hard to work out since it is probably impossible to make a “fair” trade for both parties.

Yes you could probably figure out how to add or subtract other supplies or equipment to balance out the equation but then you open yourself up to possibly taking things you didn’t really want in the first place.

And this, my friends, is why I think money was invented.

But, wait, you have a solution! Let’s go back to a gold-based (or silver-based) economy. After all, you thought ahead wisely and choose to stockpile a nice stash of gold and silver coins for just such an occasion.

The question is did the other guy?

What are you going to do if the other guy is the one owing you money but he doesn’t have it, or doesn’t have the type of money that you want?

More importantly, I really feel it would take a long time for society to stabilize enough to where peaceable transactions could take place in which both valuable goods and an alternative currency could be exchanged. I’m thinking years to be honest.

Now, I know I’m being a little silly with my examples such as the other guy wanting to barter a pallet full of ceramic tiles.

And I’m sure that people will quickly figure out that nobody wants ceramic tiles post-SHTF and they wouldn’t even bother.

Obviously, therefore, they’re going to choose to bring supplies that you and others will probably be interested in.

That said, I do see situations–especially shortly after SHTF–where you could have desperate people attempting precisely these types of transactions (e.g., wanting to trade a pallet full of tiles for a single meal) of which you’re still not interested and really only wastes your time and, more importantly, opens you up to being highly vulnerable because you’re now assuredly dealing with desperate people.

Look after a SHTF event, people will be desperate enough to trade nearly anything they have for the basics they do not have and if you then willfully offer some of the supplies you’ve procured as barter items you’ll likely only end up in situations like this (trading for things you don’t want) or, at the very least, put a giant bullseye on your back as “being the guy who has stuff” that they want… er, need!

I know there are ways around this problem, such as trading through a third-party but they would have to be a very trustworthy individual (or group) for me to be willing to do that for a variety of other reasons, including your continued safety.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s a good answer regarding bartering post-SHTF.

Yes, eventually a barter economy and an alternative currency (or several) will emerge. People will try to trade ridiculous things.

You will also want (and/or need) to barter eventually too. I’m sure I will too. But I would suggest you do your best to hold off for as long as possible and let other people take the brunt of the ridiculous trades and bullseyes on their backs before you really consider bartering as a viable option.

 

 

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